Dildo Nativity Scene Pisses Off Christian Groups

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A Spanish sex shop put up a Nativity scene in their shop window that featured Mary, Joseph and Jesus painted on ceramic dildos, and it has pissed some Christian groups off:

Christian groups are fuming after a Spanish sex shop erected a ‘nativity scene’ depicting Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus painted on ceramic dildos.

The appropriately named ‘Non Sit Peccatum’ (or ‘not a sin’ in Latin) was subjected to protests after shop owner Hector Valdivielso commissioned the images, which were displayed in the window.

As a result, he’s been (allegedly) threatened:

The shop owner took to Facebook to express his opinion, stating, “A man with his wife ordered me to remove the offending scene and said that if I didn’t he would remove it himself.”

Personally, I’m always wary when someone says they’ve been threatened but doesn’t have any more proof than their word. We’ve seen how this sort of accusation can turn out to be a hoax after the American election, where crybabies were falsely accusing others of hate crimes that didn’t take place.

The store owner did post a letter he says he received as a result of the dildo Nativity scene:

Valdivielso also posted an image of a hate letter he received, which read: “Don’t you have the balls to display something that would offend Muslims? Of course not, because they would blow you up.”

He has since taken the display down, and started asking people to vote online about whether the display should go back up, which smacks of a publicity campaign.

But I do have to admit that the story made me chuckle when I first read it, and I absolutely think he should be allowed to put up the display.

However, I can certainly understand when people make the argument that it’s in poor taste.

But poor taste isn’t illegal.

What do you think, dear reader?

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105 Comments

  1. I think poor taste trumps (you should excuse the expression) religious sensitivities. I think on that basis, no, there does have to be some kind of public ethic about what can be visible and what shouldn’t be.

  2. I thought the shop owner used really poor taste… but it’s his shop, and Christians who are offended don’t have to shop there. They also have the same right to speak against it as the shop owner does to display it.

  3. Hmm

    Is that grossly offensive? Well. yeah

    Are they entitled to do that if they want? Well yeah

    Should they be subject to prevailing community standards about what they put in their window…well..yeah.

    Do Christians have the right to be pissed? And even to say it out loud..well yeah we do.

    That’s how this stuff works. For everybody.

    Now having said that….why would that shop really want to do that other than for the simply offense of it.

            • I am being reasonable!

              I see no reason I should pander to your version of behavior?
              You are a Christian who believes in Hell and Noah’s ark.
              You repeatedly taunt by saying you are off to indoctrinate children.

              I am just surprised the owner of the shop has not yet displayed a blow up doll of the Virgin Mary.

              Holy Fuck, Wally! Imagine the furor over that?

              • Gosh, Ark. I think if you read my actual comment, you won’t find any demands by me that anybody pander to my version of behavior. In fact, I pretty much said that while I personally have an issue with what happened, I reckon they can do it.

                I spoke my opinion. Seems that’s sort of what this post is about, is how far to people get to go in personal expression. Last time I checked, speaking my mind is not telling anybody they should pander to my belief system.

                As far as Noah’s ark…Ark…that pretty much has zero relevance to this conversation here.

                So, perhaps you have something about the actual comment I made to share?

                Maybe you ought to read it?

                I am earnestly attempting to engage some folks in conversation even though we don’t all agree. It’s pretty cool how that works.

                • I also think it is pretty cool. And we all have our own unique delivery style in this regard.
                  Thus, variety is the spice of life, is it not?
                  I think the idea of Christian Sex Toys is an untapped market that has huge potential.

                  For example:
                  Viagra tablets with a picture of blonde, blue’eyed Jesus rising from the grave on the packet.
                  ”If it can make the Lord rise up imagine what it can do for you?”

                  or.

                  ”Bring out the bondage in you with this large, lifelike, plastic cross.
                  A real Wow over Easter. including straps and fake nails.”

                  or
                  ”For those who like the dark side.
                  Hot Cross Buns with a real difference!”

                  Or…
                  How about toilet paper with bible verses printed on them?

                  You’d never have to worry about taking a book with you to the loo ever again.

                  The possibilities are endless.

                  • Obviously, Ark, you have choked on your own spittle so long that you have deprived yourbrain of oxygen and cannot read any longer.

                    Again, did you have something to say about the specifics of some comment I have made here?

                    Or is the only thing you bring to this table of coversation mockery, insults and offense?

                    Do you really think that is how grow ups talk?

                    Oh…I get it! You don’t want me to talk! Even if I say something totally unrelated to religion, it must be stupid just because it came from a Christian mouth! What was I thining.

                    • Okay, let’s look at your comment shall we?

                      Should they be subject to prevailing community standards about what they put in their window…well..yeah.

                      Well … no. If Christians had their way we would all be subject to nativity scenes all over the damn place. Screw that! (Pun Intended)

                      Do Christians have the right to be pissed? And even to say it out loud..well yeah we do.

                      Of course you do. I agree.

                      That’s how this stuff works. For everybody.

                      Nope. Not for everybody. Stop evangelizing and indoctrinating kids, and we might be on the road to leveling the playing field regarding freedom of speech etc.

                      Now having said that….why would that shop really want to do that other than for the simply offense of it

                      Do you stop your Christian posturing even though many people find it highly offensive?
                      Both are marketing ploys, except unlike you religion, the sex shop owner is marketing something tangible. And while there was never a First Coming of Jesus of Nazareth, let alone a Second, there is every chance that someone over Christmas will be coming because of ‘’Jesus’’

                      Did I do a reasonable job of addressing you comment, Wally?

                    • Yes in fact you did.

                      And I never ONCE said anybody had to stop anything. I said clearly and more clearly that they likely had the right to do that if they wish.

                      Prevailing community standards…who said anything about Christianity in that comment? Not me.

                      For everybody. Yes, Ark for everybody

                      Like it or not, I am as fully entitled to speak, and speak loudly as you. For you to say differently is CLEARLY stifling to free speech.

                      Indoctrination of kids. Put a cork in it moron. We all teach our kids what we believe. You do, I do. Again, your point is clear. You want me, and all the other christians to shut up.

                      So, yes, you addressed the comment, you just screwed up or what I said in it, and woefullly misrepresented it.

                      You are a moron, a bully, and likely a liar.

                      Keep on keeping on.

                      Again, you prove you are just a child in a grown up stone head.

                      @GC…I’m out friend, there was adult conversation to be found here, but then the tantrum thrower crashed the party.

                      Thanks for having me, though

                    • Of course you are entitled to prattle on about your farking religion ’til the sheep in the hills above Bethlehem come home.
                      That is freedom of speech. You may believe what ever you like, and within reason, say whatever you like.
                      (Doesn’t incite riots or some such)
                      Just extend the same degree of respect to children and Leave. Them. Alone.
                      How much fairer can one get?

                      I never lie. I am not a Christian and have no need to lie for what I believe.

  4. I don’t know, maybe it is poor taste but then again it is a sex shop, so it is appropriate in their eyes. As a christian myself I do not understand why we are continually getting offended over things that really don’t make a difference. We refused to make a cake for a gay couple and that is OK, but when someone does something we think is wrong we get all upset and say we are being persecuted for our faith. I’m not sure why we christians seem to think everyone should cater to what we feel is appropriate and right in regard to christian thinking when not everyone is coming from a christian belief. The way I see it the sex shop at least put up a nativity scene to celebrate Christmas. Now I wonder if you go into the shop if they say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays….but that causes another argument in itself.

  5. one other thought: think of the amazing publicity this has garnered for that shop. Think of what it would have cost them to advertise that extensively.

    it’s also sorta like those porn cases where the judges and lawyers have to view the videos to be sure, really really sure, that it was pornography. Three or four times.

  6. Oh, it’s so irreverent! I love it! LOL I can definitely see how it would be offensive to Christians, though. That had to be the intention.

    And what about the symbolism of inserting the baby Jesus dildo in a vagina? The baby going back inside the birth canal. Returning to the source. It’s downright poetic.

  7. Yep it’s a hard one, but seriously people have claimed to have seen religious images on toast, dunny doors and a dogs’ backside so how is this any more offensive? I think anything goes for any beliefs because the more people that find this offensive the more conflict it creates. In this day of many mixed religions and beliefs we need to be far more tolerant than we have been and think how these things can get way out of control. The Islamic Muslims obviously have a longer way to go in this respect.

    Merry Christmas to all bloggers.

  8. What would happen if someone set up a display that defiled LGBT, African Americans, illegal immigrants and women the way “The Dildo Nativity” defiles Christianity.

    The atheist bigot would be atop his toilet throne of judgement screaming bloody murder demanding someone’s head on a platter.

    The truly psychotic hatred of Christianity displayed by the nonchalant comments written here and the “The Dildo Nativity” itself, dazzles the imagination.

    • You say “What would happen if someone set up a display that defiled LGBT, African Americans, illegal immigrants and women the way “The Dildo Nativity” defiles Christianity.”

      Hold your horses here Som. This is about a voluntary belief in a god, a religion that people aspire to follow or not. This is a free choice.

      Regardless of your views science has established most LGBT people do not have a choice because sexual preference has a genetic component and of course the other groups you mention are born into the race or gender.

      This is a significant difference to an unscientific world view and belief. Should a complaint be made either because the people on the dildos are of the Judean or other ethnicity, or because there is a women and child involved? Or do we jump up and down because it represents a voluntary belief?

      Do you see the track this is going down? The Islamic Muslim people show ultimate respect to a religious belief that is obviously self-righteous, smug and deluded, and the same goes for any other religion including Christianity and the flying spaghetti monster religion that puts itself in a position of being an icon of untouchable status.

      Religion is the same as politics, it is an individual belief rife for satire and always will be, so get on with your praying but leave your self-importance and superiority at home.

      • Steve

        Perhaps you should tone down your own sense of self importance as well.

        Constant are the complaints that Christians have no interest in talking…and let a couple show up and try to have an intelligent discussion and right away folks like you are stone brain start with the insults

        Of course SOM and i would find this display offensive. The idea that we would not is absurd.

        Satire if fine. Disagreement is fine. But seems you can state your world view loud and clear, all over the web, and it’s just free thought. How many time a week do you tell me I am wrong? But, let a Christian say they are sure about something, and it’s arrogance and superiority.

        Don’t hurt yourself when you fall of of your high horse.

          • Hi Ron

            Um..here is the deal. For the life of me I can’t seem to find anywhere that I proposed, suggested, or even hinted at an anti blasphemy law. Perhaps you should find that person and ask them?

            Heck I never even claimed exception from ridicule. Ridicule away. If I respond to it, that certainly doesn’t mean I am claiming I should be exempt from it.

            I think if you read closely, you will see I actually stated those guys were likely fully entitled legally to do just what they did.

            Being entitled doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a good idea, and it certainly doesn’t mean I have to like it. And to carry it to it’s logical end, I am certainly entitled to speak my opinion on it.

            No, go find the guy who suggested and anti blasphemy law and take this up with him. Because nobody brought that as an issue here but you.

              • Fair enough, Ron. I just really didn’t see the connection between any of my comments here, and anti blasphemy laws. Truth is, often questions asked are no more than a veiled accusation.

                Anyway. Well at the most basic level the reason that only “religious truth” advocates for those types of laws is that, technically, only religion can be blasphemed.

                Beyond that? Religion is far from the only group that demands special protection against what people can say or even think about them. We are fast reaching a point where to even offer an opinion about certain things can result in litigation or legal action. So, the religious are hardly alone. In fact, I can’t say that I personally know or have met a single believer who has every supported an anti blasphemy law.

                I happen to believe absolutely that the church as an institution has no valid role in the governance of a nation. That simply never ends well, not for the church or the government.

                Having said that…does my personal faith shape the way I may vote, speak, or even campaign on certain issues? Sure does, and I don’t feel any remorse over that. Laws are built around moral and social ideals, and we all bring our personal set of those, along with our world views to the table when we deal with issues of law.

                In closing….I’m not so much on board with any legal directives concerning how any person can feel, or what they can say. Heck, I even agree with Ark here, in that even then there are things that might be clearly harmful to good order and safety.

                To be absurd…I can scream “I hate purple people” on the street corner if I want to. Should I be allowed to walk into the purple people club and yell it? Probably not.It can get complex, but overall legislation designed to control thought, and to a certain extent speech, is not the way I roll.

                That shop owner in this post? He can put whatever he want in his window. It’s his business, and his property. The guy who walked in and threatened to physically remove it? Well, that’s not so legal by any stretch.

                Hope that helps

  9. Wally, I think if you had complained what value would this have and why with all the other offensive issues directed at your religion over hundreds of years why would you be offended by the display on sex toys in Spain somewhere?

    Muslims appear to be offended by almost everything, accompanied with no sense of humour, and it appears some Christians may want to get on the same bandwagon and want laws to protect religious sensitivities.

    The only result of this complaint apart from free publicity for the shop owner is unjustified human conflict such as the Christian who allegedly threatened the shop owner claiming “A man with his wife ordered me to remove the offending scene and said that if I didn’t he would remove it himself.” And of course, the hate mail this shop owner received.

    You can display anything you like on private property if it is within the law and I expect this man was. Can you imagine if a sign suggesting “atheism is evil” on church land and I was offended and threatened to remove it myself? I may become a hero I suppose?

    I do not profess to be self-important or on my high-horse but I have been around long enough and experienced enough to realise I do have the right to disagree, however, misplaced pride and prejudice from people such as those complainants can become the precursor to unjustified conflict.

          • Som,

            Who says I get to judge? I have never judged anyone on what hate is, the law does that in a more complicated way. Do you not agree with the laws about these things?

            Hate against the Christian religion I should imagine is massive and always on display around the world with ISIS cutting off heads and especially by relatives of people murdered by the churches over the many centuries and of course recently the families effected by paedophile priests.

            You Som however, to put this in context, have virtually no idea about a little insignificant shopkeeper who sells sex toys in an Italian community yet this man is now a most evil person because you seem to know this act to be HATE against Christianity! Good God I would not want to be your neighbour if my cat crapped on your lawn.

              • I certainly have my opinions and sure as hell I intellectually “judge” people and events however I am not into judging everything as hate like you do or condemning anyone to any sort of punishment, but I believe the word “judge” has a more intense and philosophical meaning for you.

                You use the word “judge” like you are an authority with the false belief you are in a more knowledgeable position in life and delight at judging atheists as though they are going to the hell concocted inside of your head.

                From my perspective, it is this belief that is spooky and dangerous.

    • Steve

      I happen to agree they can display what they want. I never said differently. I never even proposed any law to stop them. That is my issue here. All I have done is speak my mind. That’s it.

      It’s just odd that when I speak my mind as a Christian it is misplace pride and prejudice, and creating conflict…yet when you do, it’s perfectly ok.

      As to why it would offend me personally? For you to pretend you don’t understand why it would is ludicrous, and you know this.

      Big deal. It offends me. I say it. I offend you. You say it. Big deal.

      You have the “right to disagree.” when you actually…disagree

      I am full of pride and prejudice, and stirring conflict when I actually….disagree.

      Interesting LOL.

      And that guy who tromped in and said what he said? Probably a jerk. I have no problem with calling him one myself

      Final note. Obviously I am not Muslim, but I find the deep and abiding irony in you and some others talking about them for being offended about everything rather funny as heck. Being as I am told repeatedly how my having the very audacity to speak in public is an offense.

      Can you say double standard?

  10. At the end of the day Wally I would not have displayed those characters on those sex items and most people would feel the same way but we are all so very different in our way of thinking. However, on the other hand I would never consider making threats to the shop keeper in the defence of any belief because that is superfluous. This mans threats should be condemned far more than the display. The emphasis appears to be more on not hurting the feelings of some Christians not on the aggressive attitude of the Christian complainant who used the radicle Islamic way.

    I do not blame you for having pride regarding your religion because you have obviously spent much of your life involved with it. As I feel you have been completely misguided in your belief I will obviously think your pride and prejudice is misplaced. And because no actual living person on earth was personally discriminated, abused shamed or harmed from the theme of this shopkeepers display also makes me feel this issue has had far more lime light than it should ever have.

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