Yesterday I briefly responded to James Bishop’s ‘refutation’ of my post ’10 Ways To Improve The Bible’. In that post, he defended slavery and made excuses for it, but in part 2 of his refutation, he goes a step further and actually excuses the killing of children.
Here’s what he said:
This is a critique of the law that imposed a severe punishment on intensely rebellious children. However, GC is being far too simple in his analysis for, as exegete Paul Copan explains, “We’re not talking about a little practical joker or even about a teenager who won’t clean up his room. No, he’s an utter delinquent whose hardened, insubordinate behavior simply can’t be corrected, despite everyone’s best efforts. He’s a repeat offender: “when they [his father and his mother] chastise him, he will not even listen to them” (Deut. 21:18). He’s a picture of insubordination—“a glutton and a drunkard” (v. 20; cf. Prov. 23:20–21). This serious problem would have had a profoundly destructive effect on the family and the wider community.
Let me get this straight…this powerful being couldn’t figure out any other way to handle ‘intensely rebellious children’ than to have them stoned by the community?
You’re kidding, right?
Apparently he is not because he continues:
The parents aren’t in the picture any longer; they’re not taking charge of punishment. Rather, the community carries out this exercise of social responsibility. And when it takes this drastic action, it’s a tragic last resort to deal with this trouble” (4). I take such a child to be an uncontrollable burden to his community & family that threatened its stability. God commanded his people to be holy as well as to “purge the evil from among you” (Deu. 17:7) and I believe that such a child brought evil & disrepair to the community and thus needed to be dealt with since no other method of discipline had worked prior. For the people of God it would seem that these punishments were to be sobering reminders of what God expected.
And yet we don’t need to resort to such barbarity today, because we understand ethics, sociology and psychology (among other things) better than this supposed God.
God was way behind the curve it seems, because He was ordering the murder of children as the only possible solution when dealing with particularly difficult children.
It disgusts me in the extreme that this person is apologizing and excusing the killing of children behind a banner of morality.
Also, there’s this little tidbit about my point that this God could have provided the bible in all the known languages to avoid confusion:
Is GC really being serious here? Does he expect the Bible to have been written in all 6500 world languages (1)? That would be a mess. Again, like most other arguments by GC this is a non-sequitur.
Is that too much to ask from a deity, who has put in place a main requirement to understand and believe in Him? You make it sound like it’s beyond His power and is not a reasonable thing to expect from a being who can literally create everything, but fails to realize that Hebrew is not the ideal language to pass along a message and that providing copies written in languages everyone can understand could help avoid a TON of confusion.
I also don’t think you know what ‘non-sequitur’ means, but whatever.
Does GC think that God is some magical vending machine that you poke and then expect something to pop out? It would appear so.
No. In fact, even when you’re excusing child murder, you might notice it’s people who have to carry out the punishments.
Funny how that works.
He then goes on to tell us that the bible has knowledge that someone of that time couldn’t have known, such as:
To name a few, the authors mention details such as the creation of the universe from nothing
Which this God got wrong. The order of events is wrong for one thing.
the early Earth being covered in water of which is an accurate scientific description of early Earth
Between the very large asteroids and meteors, that covered the surface in molten lava.
And why couldn’t someone of that era guess that the world was covered by water?
the Earth being stationed in the expanse of space (Job 26:7)
Space is not mentioned. You’re grasping at straws. It says it’s hung over nothing. The Earth isn’t hung on anything and I wouldn’t call gravity nothing.
the description of springs at the bottom of oceans
You mean ‘fountains’? And this is after this God created a flood that scientists can find no evidence for; that closely resembles other flood myths that predate Christianity; a global flood that would break the laws of physics?
He ends his refutation with:
I am also sure that Godless Cranium and I will have further interactions.
That’s unlikely, sir.
When someone excuses slavery and the killing of children, I quickly realize that they are probably beyond reason. They will make any excuse to continue to believe in their favorite myth. Further discussion is likely a waste of time.
But I wish you well. I hope that at some point, you realize that excusing child murder and slavery isn’t a good use of your time, and is unethical to say the least.