Do I Think We Have Free Will And What Value Do I Place On It Here’s my Friday post on The Isaiah 53:5 Project. Hope you enjoy it. 🙂 Advertisements Share this:TwitterFacebookGoogleLike this:Like Loading... Related 18 Comments i feel that if we conjure things in our minds, we can tend to turn in circles. CS Lewis has helped me understand clearly that we all have Freewill, in a sense that we live in a Real world of Consequence, not a toy world of make belief, manipulation, etc. this Inherent Right Upheld Eternal by LIFE GIVER for all to choose, express, manifest our fullest potential however we choose can be scary, but when Spirit Guided, Restores us to Authenticity, Genuine Consistent Expression that is True to LIFE. i feel grateful for your inquiry, honest seeking. Thanks for your thoughts Hagebs. I think there are definite consequences for actions, but that doesn’t necessitate free will. what is your definition of freewill? I think it’s the way Sheldon Cooper once explained to Penny. (paraphrase) ”Although I believe we live in a predetermined universe we also have free will. Now sit.” Oh, and nicely done in the way you handled that colossal arse hat , David. He really is a piece of work. Thanks! He sure ran fast. He didn’t want to answer any of those questions. LOL Do they ever, GC? Some do, but I really want to know the definition of spirit and what they think it does and what function it supposedly fulfills. I also notice no one answered my hypothetical beating/rape question. I had no confidence that james would allow any of my comments on that post. I’m pleased that he did. -mike I’m glad he did. I post it here just in case for anyone who is banned or would rather comment here. You’re always welcome here, mate. thx brother The bit I don’t get is that our fall from grace comes from Eve and Adam choosing to eat that Apple. Now, they were told not to eat from that tree, but at the same time told they had ‘free will’. Ok, so it was a supposed test to see if they would obey God; they disobeyed, so they were punished . But hang on, doesn’t ‘free will’ mean you have a choice? So why were they punished for making that choice? That is not free will. If I explain to my child that the cookies from the cookie jar are not healthy and he shouldn’t eat them, but then I tell him he has free will so he can make whatever choice he wants, so decide for himself whether to eat the cookies, and then he decides that he WILL eat from the cookie jar, I should NOT punish him, because I allowed him the free will to decide for himself. If you’re going down this hermeneutic road, I’ve found the even stronger question to be focused on the tree. That is, since it was the tree of the “knowledge of good and evil,” then it would seem that A&E lacked that knowledge prior to eating of the tree. Lacking knowledge of good and evil, how could either of them know that it’s good to obey and evil to disobey God’s command? And if they didn’t know it was an evil choice, how can they justly be held responsible? [Although Eve still takes a hit here since she told Adam to eat after she had eaten and, thus, should have known she was leading him to an evil act… but “contributing to the delinquency of the ignorant” does not seem to be the crime for which she was punished, so this angle has to be read into the text and, even then, only covers a portion of the problem.] Hi dxfc Excellent points! Using today’s values and morality we would suggest that it was god who at fault in the tree business. We would also conclude that the punishment was excessive. “That is, since it was the tree of the “knowledge of good and evil,” then it would seem that A&E lacked that knowledge prior to eating of the tree.” Never really thought of it from that angle before. Thanks dfxc! And you’re child would probably point out that you’re operating an unfair justice system right quick. LOL Yes, he would, and he should. God never told them nor is it explained in the genesis account as a test. We assume it after the fact. What if it was as simple as God setting a command that he knew in advance they would not be able to follow? Far from a test it becomes ‘ordained’ by god. Leave a Reply Cancel reply Enter your comment here... Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: Email (required) (Address never made public) Name (required) Website You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. ( Log Out / Change ) You are commenting using your Twitter account. ( Log Out / Change ) You are commenting using your Facebook account. ( Log Out / Change ) You are commenting using your Google+ account. ( Log Out / Change ) Cancel Connecting to %s Notify me of new comments via email. Notify me of new posts via email.