Refuting the Refutation of New Atheism

Christopher_Hitchens_cropRan into a post that attempts to refute new atheism, but does everything but make an argument against any atheistic position. Instead the author just flings mud against the wall hoping that something…anything sticks, including a charge (in the title of the piece) that atheism is the last superstition.

This is the sorry state we’re in – when not believing superstitious claims actually become a superstition.

The present-day atheists and their arguments are so ignorant and closed minded to many facts and historical data. They are not totally the least educated group of people in the world they are the most ignorant of history and philosophical thought.

Citation needed.

This isn’t an argument against their position. This is an assertion that you haven’t backed up. Anyone can call someone else wrong and assert that they’re ignorant or not educated, but you have to back that up if you want to be taken seriously.

What exactly are they ignorant about?

What historical data are you referencing and where did they demonstrate ignorance in regards to it?

Who is the least educated among the new atheists and how does that mean their position on God is wrong?

Not exclusively is it impossible to be an atheists and not be self refuting it’s a faith based position based on no real information for their position that no God exists.

It doesn’t take faith not to believe a claim, especially when that claim includes magic, miracles and contradictory holy books. And how exactly is atheism self-refuting? Atheism doesn’t make a claim. It merely rejects a claim. Atheism is the absence of belief in God(s).

It’s a fairly simple concept.

And I never understand when a religious person tries to compare their faith based position to what they think is an atheists faith based position. Who exactly are they trying to tar? What is the point of painting what they think is a faith based position as bad, while they themselves hold a faith based position and are often basing their entire lives around it?

I don’t get it.

Most atheists I have met are irrational, faulty and cannot account for the many assumptions of life they take for granted, they basically in secret borrow from he Christian worldview to even make an argument.

Example please? What exactly do we secretly borrow from Christianity to make an argument?

I hear this argument quite often but I never see an example.

I was perfectly happy with my atheism and felt it freed me from the fear of death as I wasn’t afraid of judgement (not that I’m a bad person!) and I was content with the knowledge that death was the end and I just went back to the earth and became part of the never ending cycle of life in that way.

So what changed? That’s the likely answer. I haven’t died yet so I can’t say for certain what will happen, but everything we’ve learned so far points directly towards the brain as the source of our thoughts, motivations, how we experience reality and our very consciousness. I think it’s certainly a better answer than a disembodied super mind taking you to a supernatural realm of bliss for eternity because you believed in him when alive. That system sounds more like a failed gold star system that doesn’t relate to reality.

I spoke to my husband about this, he lost his dad in very similar circumstances years ago and it rocked his atheism completely. He said it took him many years to be a happy atheist again.

I can understand that. I’ve been there.

When my father died, I experienced wanting to believe nonsense so that I could believe I’d see him again. I wanted to believe he was still looking down on me, watching me grow as a human being. I wanted to think he was still able to enjoy his grandchildren.

I was also surrounded by believers who kept stating how he was in a better place, that he was with his loved ones now etc.

But it’s likely not true. Death is a very powerful motivator. We fear it, and we fear what it means to those we love. But I think we need to find ways to cope with the reality of death instead of making up fantasy stories to cover up the pain and fear.

He is the Holy Spirit who lives inside me imparting eternal life moment by moment, He’s God the Father who shows me daily what a real father is supposed to be like.

I prefer my real father, who was there when I needed him, worked his ass off to support me, and who I could lean on in times of uncertainty. My real father didn’t teach me what it was to be a father by remaining invisible.

It’s interesting to me that most of the Atheists I’ve spoken with seem to think there’s something inherently foolish in one believing in and worshipping God and believing in the Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ when many of earth’s foremost scholars share these very beliefs.

Citation needed.

Who are these scholars? You’re also making an Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Just because lots of people believe something, doesn’t make it true.

If you want to criticize atheism, by all means have at it.

However, you need to offer a little more substance than blind accusations with no backing evidence. If you’re going to argue that atheists are the least educated group, are completely ignorant and so on…you need to back that shit up.



  1. This is strange. There’s usually at least one point that tickles me enough to actually Say Stuff: “and cannot account for the many assumptions of life they take for granted,

    But again, no citations. No list. What assumptions do we take for granted? Living? Dying? Being boiled in oil?

  2. Same misinformation I heard from evangelical preachers when I was a Christian, which is why I had such a distorted view of atheists. Death anxiety is real, and I understand how it can have a grip on people, but the bottom line is that they can’t deal with reality and therefore turn to projection as a defense mechanism.

  3. Death is a scary thing to contemplate, and it can be very hard to accept. I can totally understand why someone would need to give themselves a comfort zone about it. And I dont mind telling you, there are times when I wake up in the middle of the night (and it’s DARK here at night, no street lights) and realize that this is what it will be.
    I’ve come to terms with it but it’s still kinda sad to think that there IS no place Up There to aim for. I don’t blame anyone who rests on the idea of angels, or meeting family or friends (that great Hilton in the sky), it gets them through.

  4. I think the reason I’ve been perfectly content to live my life without ascribing to any faith, but yet still allow myself to contemplate all possibilities in our infinite universe is the fact that I have NEVER feared death. It has also allowed me to LIVE this life to the fullest. I’m not reckless, but I sure do know how to have a good time, and I’m never living in fear of judgement, or what comes after I die. I understand that I can disappear in a blink of the eye and I’m totally fine with that.

  5. Willful, ingrained ignorance is the stock and trade of atheists.

    That’s because the fundamental dogma of atheism is, “Everything just happened all by itself.

    In order to believe such idiocy, the atheist must make the conscious decision to deny science, history, common sense and the obvious.

    Each time the atheists demands evidence and citations for what is common knowledge, common sense or the obvious, the atheist is proving his stock and trade of willful, ingrained ignorance.

  6. I read your piece with great interest. I guess I would describe myself as a believer (although something of a pantheist) but all but a couple of my friends are atheists.

    I think perhaps the term “atheist” is often used too generically, the same as the term “believer”. I have the privilege of knowing several “atheists” whose respect for nature, animals, life and their fellow humans puts them above, in my view, many so-called “believers” who think their role is to dominate nature, animals and other humans. And the other way around, too (i.e. many kind, considerate “believers” and bullying “atheists”). There are many different kinds of “atheists” just like there are many different kinds of “believers”. The problem is (and I do that too), we use all-purpose, one-size-fits-all labels.

  7. And closed comments to boot. The piece is poorly written and amateurish in its presentation.
    I wonder sometimes if there are idiots out there who simply write this garbage merely to get a rise.

    And talking of idiots. I see SOM is back.

  8. Reblogged this on Nina's Soap Bubble Box and commented:
    They really cannot understand that there are non-beleivers, so they create the “mad at god” and anything to maintain their cognitive dissonance – also why they project all their childish motivations too – they don’t understand an adult who does not need an invisible boss or authority fallacies, eh?

  9. Leaving aside the right or wrong of this persons position, I have noticed that on both sides of the debate once one steers away from a focus on fact and evidence towards opinion and vitriol that the language of both sides can be quite similar. What I mean is that as with the post you reference, I often see Christian criticism of atheists and think to myself “this is remarkably similar to what atheists think about Christians”.

    It is a bit like how the extreme left wingers and extreme right wingers are closer to each other than they are to apathetic middle. But they would never accept this. Such is humanity, sigh.

  10. Well said GC. They really do have to back that shit up. Just because we don’t believe in their fiction, doesn’t mean we’re stupid and ignorant. I think non-believers makes more sense than believers. At least we can speak from experience. They just believe what they hear.

    Great post! 😀

  11. Hi GC.
    Another great post which I would like to re-blog. Just a couple of points

    1. We are all tempted to wrap ourselves in the “Christianity comfort blanket” from time to time, especially in trying times, but it is something that rational people usually tend to overcome.

    2. Why do people let themselves get sucked into SoM’s rants? I know it’s tempting [been there] but it is also futile. Nothing you can say will even change his opinions so why bother?

  12. The arguments are distracting but I will try to remain on topic. Do I fear being dead? No. Do I fear dying? Yes. I don’t want for my death to hurt or burden anyone, so I want to be the last to go. My mother passed away when I was 19 and I do not believe in heaven, or that we’ll be reunited in it. Is she still “with me”? Yes and no. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. I’ll never claim to know all of the answers, but I’m cool with being “recycled”. Maybe I’ll be the heat in your electric blanket on a cold winter’s night. Maybe, she’s the heat in mine.

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