Ran into a post that attempts to refute new atheism, but does everything but make an argument against any atheistic position. Instead the author just flings mud against the wall hoping that something…anything sticks, including a charge (in the title of the piece) that atheism is the last superstition.
This is the sorry state we’re in – when not believing superstitious claims actually become a superstition.
The present-day atheists and their arguments are so ignorant and closed minded to many facts and historical data. They are not totally the least educated group of people in the world they are the most ignorant of history and philosophical thought.
This isn’t an argument against their position. This is an assertion that you haven’t backed up. Anyone can call someone else wrong and assert that they’re ignorant or not educated, but you have to back that up if you want to be taken seriously.
What exactly are they ignorant about?
What historical data are you referencing and where did they demonstrate ignorance in regards to it?
Who is the least educated among the new atheists and how does that mean their position on God is wrong?
Not exclusively is it impossible to be an atheists and not be self refuting it’s a faith based position based on no real information for their position that no God exists.
It doesn’t take faith not to believe a claim, especially when that claim includes magic, miracles and contradictory holy books. And how exactly is atheism self-refuting? Atheism doesn’t make a claim. It merely rejects a claim. Atheism is the absence of belief in God(s).
It’s a fairly simple concept.
And I never understand when a religious person tries to compare their faith based position to what they think is an atheists faith based position. Who exactly are they trying to tar? What is the point of painting what they think is a faith based position as bad, while they themselves hold a faith based position and are often basing their entire lives around it?
I don’t get it.
Most atheists I have met are irrational, faulty and cannot account for the many assumptions of life they take for granted, they basically in secret borrow from he Christian worldview to even make an argument.
Example please? What exactly do we secretly borrow from Christianity to make an argument?
I hear this argument quite often but I never see an example.
I was perfectly happy with my atheism and felt it freed me from the fear of death as I wasn’t afraid of judgement (not that I’m a bad person!) and I was content with the knowledge that death was the end and I just went back to the earth and became part of the never ending cycle of life in that way.
So what changed? That’s the likely answer. I haven’t died yet so I can’t say for certain what will happen, but everything we’ve learned so far points directly towards the brain as the source of our thoughts, motivations, how we experience reality and our very consciousness. I think it’s certainly a better answer than a disembodied super mind taking you to a supernatural realm of bliss for eternity because you believed in him when alive. That system sounds more like a failed gold star system that doesn’t relate to reality.
I spoke to my husband about this, he lost his dad in very similar circumstances years ago and it rocked his atheism completely. He said it took him many years to be a happy atheist again.
I can understand that. I’ve been there.
When my father died, I experienced wanting to believe nonsense so that I could believe I’d see him again. I wanted to believe he was still looking down on me, watching me grow as a human being. I wanted to think he was still able to enjoy his grandchildren.
I was also surrounded by believers who kept stating how he was in a better place, that he was with his loved ones now etc.
But it’s likely not true. Death is a very powerful motivator. We fear it, and we fear what it means to those we love. But I think we need to find ways to cope with the reality of death instead of making up fantasy stories to cover up the pain and fear.
He is the Holy Spirit who lives inside me imparting eternal life moment by moment, He’s God the Father who shows me daily what a real father is supposed to be like.
I prefer my real father, who was there when I needed him, worked his ass off to support me, and who I could lean on in times of uncertainty. My real father didn’t teach me what it was to be a father by remaining invisible.
It’s interesting to me that most of the Atheists I’ve spoken with seem to think there’s something inherently foolish in one believing in and worshipping God and believing in the Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ when many of earth’s foremost scholars share these very beliefs.
Who are these scholars? You’re also making an Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Just because lots of people believe something, doesn’t make it true.
If you want to criticize atheism, by all means have at it.
However, you need to offer a little more substance than blind accusations with no backing evidence. If you’re going to argue that atheists are the least educated group, are completely ignorant and so on…you need to back that shit up.