If I Died Tomorrow and Christians Were Right, What Would I Do?

Flying_Skeleton_HellI commented on a recent Christian post and was asked a very interesting question.

Here it is:

GC,

If you died tomorrow and God said “all those Christians were right all along about everything”, what would you do?

If God made a special exception just for you and offered you the choice between an eternity worshiping Him and an eternity in the Hell I have described to you, what would you chose?

Other than the coercion in my hypothetical scenario that would effectively eliminate your free-will, how is that choice different from the choice to come to God through faith you are disregarding now?

Bottom line here is that God wants you to chose Him, as I have while, at the same time, He is willing to let people reject Him, as you have.

Okay, so I’m going to deal with it in chunks. The first question asked is what would I do if I died tomorrow and a godly supernatural entity told me that the Christians were right all along.

Well, I guess I’d come to the realization that I was wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time and I’m sure it wouldn’t be the last, even if it meant being wrong while roasting alive in a pit of torment.

But I wonder what they would do if they died and there was Zeus standing there? What about Allah? Or one of the thousands of other gods we’ve invented throughout history?

I wonder if this God would accept my apology if I told Him the truth – I didn’t see sufficient evidence for its existence; its scripture is contradictory; its abilities are described incoherently; its followers can’t even make up their minds about its properties or what it wants, and I just honestly didn’t believe.

I guess if this deity is really all-loving, I’d expect he’d understand and forgive me.

The Choice

The second question has to do with me getting a choice between worshiping this deity or roasting in hell.

That’s a tough one.

I’d like to think I’d choose the roasting because I don’t like being threatened into what would amount to eternal slavery, but I’m not sure I honestly would. I mean, eternity is a long, long time and who wants to get tortured?

Then again, I think worshiping something for eternity would be its own brand of torture. If I still retained my limited intelligence, I think I’d wish for death after a while no matter what I chose.

I find it telling that this being would need to resort to threats and torture to get what it wants though.

The Second Choice

The next question is a bit hard to decipher. I assume it has to do with the first hypothetical choice and why it is any different than the choice I’m supposedly given here on Earth while I’m alive.

That one is pretty simple.

Obviously, if I die and I’m face-to-face with God, I’ll have sufficient evidence for its existence. I certainly don’t have that at this moment, and I can’t force myself to believe something that at best I view as being an incoherent concept.

That’s a big difference.

The Statement

If God really wants me to choose Him, then he has it within his unlimited power and knowledge to provide the evidence he would know in advance would convince me of its existence.

Like I said in his comment section, that doesn’t mean I’d worship such a being, but I’d definitely acknowledge that it exists. Playing hide and seek, while attempting to speak to us (human beings) through a contradictory mess of a book(s) is obviously not the best way of accomplishing this goal. You’d think this all-knowing god would have figured that out after the first billion or so people were sent to hell for believing in the wrong god.

And besides, not all of my family believes in the Christian God. That means (according to the original post) that they will go to hell. What sort of heaven doesn’t contain the people I love? How could I possibly find peace while knowing my loved ones are being tortured for eternity?

 

 

 

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32 Comments

  1. I read the entire exchange on that blog. The blogger has a dim view of atheism, posts inflammatory items and then labels it as “treating atheists fairly.” His Pascal’s wager seemed short shrift to what you were getting at, and he ignored your bigger point: if God wanted you saved, He could change His rules at any time.

    Just a FYI, he relies heavily on the beautiful gift of FREE WILL(TM) to get around a lot of atheist confrontation. I’ve yet to do a post on it, but basically it’s one of the most assholish arguments an apologist can give.

      • His attempt to get around discussing hell was to try to make you look like a rube. You did a great job of avoiding the trap, because his comment about you not knowing what hell is didn’t stick. In the end, no matter what the definition of hell is, it has no change on your position.

        Yet another sign that apologists play with their own deck and get butt-hurt when other people remind them the cards are blank.

  2. The christians try to pull the free will argument as an excuse for their hidden god, and it just doesn’t work. I can’t be free to put my trust in something until I have a reason to think that thing exists. By not sending me any convincing evidence, their god is taking away any free will I supposedly have.

    I have a usual rejoinder to christians who pull this apologetic. There are so many preachers with completely different messages preaching at me, so I have a pass phrase. A sentence in plain English. I’ve thought it many times in my head, but never told anybody what it is, or written it down. If their god knows everything then he already knows what it is. If he’s all powerful he can tell the christian what it is. So I ask the christian to pray to their god to tell them what my phrase is. If their next comment begins with that phrase, then they will have my undivided attention. Any evangelist who greets me with that phrase I will treat as a true messenger from god. So far no-one has managed it, go figure. So their god is either imaginary or an asshole.

  3. I went over and read the exchange between you two. Ugh!

    Other than the coercion in my hypothetical scenario that would effectively eliminate your free-will, how is that choice different from the choice to come to God through faith you are disregarding now?

    If the coercion in his hypothetical scenario effectively eliminates your freewill [and he seems to agree that it does] how does the same threat now not also eliminate your freewill? How can you say freewill explains our ability to choose and the acknowledge that coercion eliminates said freewill? Smh…

  4. I am generally inclined to cut dingbats like this to the quick right up front when they come with their presuppositional statements about their ‘God” – pronoun and all.
    ”Evidence first, then we can talk.”

  5. I read the exchange and found it entertaining. I have a huge problem with the concept of hell, and refuse to take Pascal’s wager because I’m morally against “believing” in something due to threats. If I become a Christian I will do so because it’s something I want to be, not because there might be a hell. I don’t like the doctrine of hell and also don’t understand why a loving God would send most people there–ETERNALLY. I understand about the free will thing, but if God is all powerful, why wouldn’t he keep decent non-believing people out of hell? It’s easier for some people to believe than others, due to education, environment, and many other factors. I’ve been kind of obsessed with the idea of religion and God recently, because I’m trying to find one that fits me and what I believe. (I’m not an atheist but I won’t get into why here). That being said, GC and other atheists make a lot of sense. I don’t think they will all go to hell, if there even is one.

    Besides, who is to say which religion is the “right” one. Maybe the Muslims are right and all Christians are going to their hell. I mean, they’re just as sure they’re right as Christians are sure their God is the right one. Maybe what happens is ALL religions are right, and whatever happens after you die is what you believe. So every person’s final destination could be different.

  6. i35 wrote, “non-believers today can be considered modern day angels of Satan who chose their eternity knowingly, willfully, and cheerfully just like those who walked the Earth with Jesus did.”
    Uh… except that in his mythology angels of Satan are, like, supernatural beings who have actually seen God. They have actual evidence. As did those who walked the Earth with Jesus. Somehow the analogy fails.

    God hides so as to not coerce us. Right. Because seeing the sea parted, being led by a cloud by day and a pillar of flame by night, being fed by miraculous manna and quail, etc. clearly made it impossible for the Israelites to reject God. Not buying it.

    i35 wrote: “You would also do well not to consider this my belief and instead consider it a biblical truth.”
    There is so much wrong with this.

    “You have made it clear that you’ve made a free-will choice to turn your back on God in this life.”
    How can one turn their back on an invisible being? Are you just spinning in circles to be sure?

    i35 is probably going to read this and think less of me. Oh well. I’m just getting tired of the nonsense and feel like mocking it.

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  9. The lack of clear communication is one of my big problems with the concept of a God with something resembling human sentience. I wouldn’t even bother to argue whether or not an intelligence of some kind might have struck a match that set off the big bang, but a Sky Father who makes us jump through hoops while never explaining why is a whole different set of issues.

  10. The question that has occurred to me lately is to ask the believer if he believes his god has omni-powers, what chance do I stand of withstanding his powers. Does he mean to say an omnipotent god would will me to believe and I fail to do so? Is it possible for an omni being to will something and not achieve it?

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