Christian Charity At Work

A lot of times, Christians or other faith groups will point to the charity their organizations are responsible for to deflect away any questioning their faith may encounter. I don’t know how many times I’ve asked a Catholic why they continue to put their money in a Catholic collection plate, knowing that the church covered up for and moved around pedophile priests, only to have them deflect by bringing up how many charities the Catholic Church is responsible for. It’s as if they think the charities make the rest of it okay.

I also wonder if they think charities would disappear without religion. Would the people who contribute to these religious charities not support them if it wasn’t for their faith?

Maybe I’m an idealist, but I like to think that they’d support secular charities because they’re good people who want to help, even if they suddenly lost their faith in a supernatural God.

Netflix has a new documentary called, God Loves Uganda, that shows how dangerous faith tied to charity can be. The documentary exposes how American Evangelicals have invaded and infected Uganda with Christian based homophobia. It alleges that American Evangelicals have been so successful at it, that they are the primary cause of Uganda’s ‘Kill The Gays’ law.

According to one article:

And as another missionary explains, Uganda is the perfect place: “50 percent of the population is under 15 years old. … What [we] can do is limited, but we can multiply ourselves in these young people.” Add that to the strategy of tying aid and charity work to values exportation in order to ensure a captive audience, and it’s easy to see why many Ugandans so readily accept the evangelical message.

So what has been the cost for this ‘aid’?

Well, that and the fact that Lively and his ilk have done a great job convincing Ugandan parents that homosexuals are out to get their children. This “recruiting” notion is as old as time and should have been discredited by now, but it seems to work particularly well in a culture that has not had much experience with sexual minorities. Of course, the irony is that it’s the radical evangelicals who are doing the recruiting here, literally whispering their lifestyle into the ears of kids—as a poignant scene at the funeral of slain activist David Kato shows, actual LGBTQ people are struggling just to stay alive.

The selling of religion under the guise of charity is an old story, and one that continues on to this day. For some religious organizations, it’s not enough to just help people in need – they must also attempt to indoctrinate their captive audience and sell them iron-age myths. Along with those myths comes their dogma, which clearly doesn’t favor some minority groups such as homosexuals.

The consequences are proving to be disastrous.

 

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14 Comments

  1. If someone is promoting hate they are not a christian, they may say that they are but they are not. As far as selling someone iron age myths if you believed someone was going to be put through an eternity of pain and suffering because of their actions, wouldnt you try to help them? Kida like how we teach our children not to break the law so they dont end up in prison. And as far as catholics go, I dont understand anything about them.

    • Howdy Mommy,

      “If someone is promoting hate they are not a christian, they may say that they are but they are not.”

      I think they’re very much Christians. They may not use their bible the same way you do, but they’re definitely Christians.

      “As far as selling someone iron age myths if you believed someone was going to be put through an eternity of pain and suffering because of their actions, wouldnt you try to help them?”

      Yes. It’s why I think religion insidiously uses love against the believer. It convinces them their loved ones will go to hell if they don’t believe, forcing them to indoctrinate their children and continue the cycle. I think the mental torture that the fear of hell has produced is astronomical.

      “And as far as catholics go, I dont understand anything about them.”

      Me either. Such a corrupt organization.

  2. Hey Mike,
    Loving your posts.
    Depending where you are from you may have heard here is South Africa an Atheist charity group would go out every weekend handing out what food they could to homeless people. From soup in winter to sandwiches and coke in summer. They identified as an atheist group but never discriminated in who they helped. Sadly within a few weeks a few churches started to try shut them down saying they were spreading evil. It actually worked. The group was stopped because the church didn’t want to be made to look bad. Just more proof that the churches are in it for no one but themselves.

  3. Not all priests are pedophiles. A minimum amount of priests are. Do you know the screening process that priests go though? Multiple mental health tests to ensure that the future priest has no mental health problems that could potentially cause harm. I know because I am friends with someone who had to go through that process. Every year they go through it; even as practicing priests. And priests do move around; that is how dioceses work. The priest doesn’t stay at the Church forever, he is moved to where his services are needed.

    The percent of actual pedophile priests is extremely low compared to the percent of pedophiles that are not priests. And if you are commenting on priests being pedophiles then you should also say something about Protestant preachers being pedophiles. Or people who are not connected to any religion.

    Did you know that Mother Teresa worked with AIDs victims and never once discriminated against them because they were gay? Sometimes it takes a little research to realize that there are good Christians out there.

    • Thanks for stopping by. 🙂

      “Not all priests are pedophiles.”

      No one said they were.

      “A minimum amount of priests are.”

      More than a minimum. Some priests in practically every country they ‘served’. Thousands upon thousands of cases worldwide.

      “Multiple mental health tests to ensure that the future priest has no mental health problems that could potentially cause harm.”

      Obviously didn’t work a good part of the time.

      “And priests do move around; that is how dioceses work. The priest doesn’t stay at the Church forever, he is moved to where his services are needed.”

      They moved priests around who they knew were raping children to protect the reputation of the church. We’re not talking about routine moves.

      “The percent of actual pedophile priests is extremely low compared to the percent of pedophiles that are not priests.”

      They are about the same. The difference being civilian child rapists aren’t being protected by an organization that preaches morality. They don’t get moved around by an organization so they can prey on unsuspecting children. They don’t get defrocked when caught – they get sent to jail.

      “And if you are commenting on priests being pedophiles then you should also say something about Protestant preachers being pedophiles.”

      No, I don’t have to. I can focus on one subject without focusing on every other subject.

      “Did you know that Mother Teresa worked with AIDs victims and never once discriminated against them because they were gay?”

      Not sure why this matters. Mother Theresa also didn’t provide pain medication to people who desperately needed it.

      “Sometimes it takes a little research to realize that there are good Christians out there.”

      I wasn’t talking about individual Christians. I was talking about the Catholic Church as an organization.

      • Priests can and do get excommunicated. If they say something or do something that is against the Church. Excommunicated means they can no longer practice as priests and they can no longer recieve or practice the sacraments.

        Especially interesting to me is the fact that, over the last decade, “the average number of credible accusations made against 40,000 priests is in single digits.” I presume this means the yearly average. If so, then fewer than ten priests each year are accused credibly. That’s about one in 4,000.

        However if you read the news many more public school teachers are abusing children. But no one comments on the public school system.

        Do you know what the Catholic Church is actually doing about this? From a credible source? The Church, epecially Pope Benedict (when he wasn’t pope) and Pope Francis, has been really nailing down on this issue.

        It gets annoying when all people comment about, even fellow Christians, is the “abuse scandal” that really doesn’t exist or exists much less than what is percieved.

        I agree the Catholic Church has made mistakes before, but people make mistakes. No one is perfect. No one organization is perfect. Unless you know from the Church what the Church is doing that is accusing without probable evidence.

        It’s like if I say that all pitbulls are evil and attack people. Yes some do but a majority don’t. And the mental health screenings have prevented many problems from arising.

        • “Excommunicated means they can no longer practice as priests and they can no longer recieve or practice the sacraments.”

          And you think that’s sufficient punishment for raping children?

          “However if you read the news many more public school teachers are abusing children.”

          Stop deflecting. We’re not discussing teachers.

          Also, teachers who get caught go to jail. They don’t get sheltered and moved around to prey on even more children by the teachers federation. The teachers federation doesn’t take to a pulpit and preach morality every day either.

          “Do you know what the Catholic Church is actually doing about this? From a credible source?”

          Yes. Nothing. In fact, a priest in the news a few days ago said he wasn’t sure if raping children was against the law in the 70’s.

          “It gets annoying when all people comment about, even fellow Christians, is the “abuse scandal” that really doesn’t exist or exists much less than what is percieved.”

          It exists. You just belong to that organization so you try to defend it or rationalize the raping of children away so you don’t feel bad about still supporting such an evil organization.

          “No one is perfect. No one organization is perfect.”

          Only faith and religion could get someone to defend child rapists.

          • They also go to jail. I’m not saying they don’t. I also are not defending them but unless you really know what is going on and not from secular sources.
            What is the actual vatican policy when it comes to this. Actual vatican documents from the Vatican. I want to know what you think they are. What are the procedures that the pope uses?

            We are discussing other people who abuse. Priests are not the only ones who do. You make it seem like they are the only people in an organization that do.

            Have you heard of protecting Gods Children? It a program every adult in the church, priest or not, go though about how to tell if abuse happens and to prove that we won’t rape children. They have a lot of precautions. I had to do it just to help with bible study when I was in high school.

            • “They also go to jail.”

              Rarely.

              “I’m not saying they don’t. I also are not defending them but unless you really know what is going on and not from secular sources.”

              Yes. Because I should trust Catholic sources. They don’t have a vested interest in the conclusion and weren’t the ones responsible for lying and protecting child rapists in the first place.

              “What are the procedures that the pope uses?”

              You tell me.

              Here’s what the procedures should be in my opinion.

              -full disclosure to the authorities
              -allow for a full criminal investigation
              -be open and transparent
              -if enough evidence is found for charges to be pressed, then allow that to happen
              -if found guilty, each priest should be excommunicated and they should face the full power of the law

              “Priests are not the only ones who do.”

              We’re discussing priests doing it. The ones preaching morality from their pulpits. The ones who betrayed their charges. The organization that covered up for child rapists.

              “Have you heard of protecting Gods Children?”

              I think the Catholic Church has done enough ‘protecting’.

              • http://www.news.va/en/news/church-response-to-abuse-sorrow-solidarity-change

                Here is an official vatican statement on the scandals. In it the pope states that the priests are to be investigated and are to be punished by law as well as be excommunicated. This statement was released in January of this year.

                The last two popes. Francis and Benedict have and are doing a lot about these issues. One of them, not sure which one, met with all of the Bishops in the United States and called a conference on these issues. Francis, before he was pope, was appointed to look into this and try to make it become less frequent and eventaully stop.

                Francis is also re-thinking and re-evaluating the process to become a priest.

                The Church is doing something about it.

                Look up protecting God’s Children it was an extremely long process to prove that I wasn’t going to harm any of the children left in my care.

                So you say that no protestant preacher ever had abused their power and children. Because they are also preaching morality. Protestant preacher have. It’s just that they aren’t united like the Catholic Church is.

                • This will probably be my last response. Not because I don’t appreciate your comments but because I doubt we’re going to agree on this issue.

                  That link is to a 2014 article, which means it’s years after the scandal broke. I think children deserve better. I also don’t think a piece of paper means squat, when just days ago a priest said he wasn’t sure if child rape was illegal in the 70’s.

                  “So you say that no protestant preacher ever had abused their power and children.”

                  I didn’t say that. Again, stop deflecting to other organizations.

                  Whether Protestant or Catholic, I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I knowingly gave one red cent to an organization that raped, covered up and allowed more rape for decades.

                  That has nothing to do with God or whether or not I believe in one.

                  It has to do with an evil organization. One that throws children’s bodies into septic tanks. One that covered up for priests who were raping children because their reputation was more important at the time than their charges.

                  • What happened in the 1970’s happened in the 1970’s. Today they are doing a lot about it. And the Church isn’t evil; people are. Certain people did bad things, it doesn’t mean that the particular organization is bad or evil, it means that the people are. It’s like if some people who work for an organization get busted for drugs. Does it mean the organziation should be called evil and bad; no the people who did them are.

                    I honestly don’t think we are going to agree on anything. It was nice talking to you and hope you have a great night/day (depending on where you are and when you read this.) 🙂

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