Purpose From An Atheistic Perspective Doesn’t Exist

they_died_for_you__by_aatheist-d552i1eI found a new post that attacks the atheistic worldview based on whether or not that means life has purpose. It’s a little different than most religious material I read, but I find that the authors reasoning is flawed.

First off, whether or not life has purpose is irrelevant to whether or not God exists. Just because you may believe that in a perfect universe, some all-powerful disembodied mind needs to exist for purpose to arise, doesn’t mean it’s so. I can argue that natural candy flavored water gives water meaning, but the reality is that unless we add an additive, water tases like…well…water. Wishful thinking doesn’t change this.

Now that’s out of the way, let’s get down to some of what he said:

But the question is, “How is something given purpose?”  You see, mere existence does not create purpose.  Purpose goes much deeper than existence.  I submit to you that no thing can have a purpose unless there is a creator acting on the thing.  Purpose does not exist without a creator.

Why doesn’t it?

Even in the example the author gives above this part, he states that you wouldn’t use scissors to light a fire. Basically, the purpose of the scissors is to cut things, but who gives these scissors purpose?

We do.

The scissors actually have no real purpose until we pick them up and put them to use. We also might not use the scissors to cut, but maybe we use them to pry something open or pick our teeth, although I wouldn’t recommend that last bit. Use a tooth pick, people. Much less potential for harm that way.

Anyhow, the point I want to make is that scissors aren’t conscious, which is why they need someone acting on them to give them purpose. Humans on the other hand are very much conscious entities. We give the scissors a purpose and we can give ourselves a purpose, while scissors are incapable of doing either.

Point being the author uses a really bad analogy to try and make his point.

Moving on.

I want you to look at purpose from an atheistic perspective.  Without alluding to any god at all – yes, that includes the Cosmos or Mother Nature – can you tell me my purpose, my reason for existence?  The honest answer to that is, “No.”

Um, why would you leave the universe and nature out of the equation? That’s a bit disingenuous, since neither of those things are God(s).

That’s like me saying, ‘can you tell me what the purpose furniture serves without alluding to a living-room, house or the people that may live in those structures.’

Just because you might not be able to come up with a reason for your existence doesn’t mean the ‘honest answer is no’.

How can I say that?  Because while you may be able to conjure up a purpose in your mind, the simple truth is that whatever purpose you conjure up is exactly that: conjured up.

Conjured up like magic?

I rather think an all-powerful, all-knowing, disembodied, invisible mind with super powers is a little more likely to be ‘conjured up’ than a flesh and blood human brain that can form thoughts and experience existence.

From an atheistic perspective, I do not exist to help others, live with others, or even just live.  I simply fortuitously exist.  But as we said earlier, mere existence does not create purpose.  There is no purpose driving evolution.  Evolution is circumstantial, not purposeful.

Why can’t helping others be a part of an atheists purpose? What prevents it?

I know plenty of Christians who help themselves and rarely if ever lift a finger to help others. Did this God not let them in on their purpose?

it does not even exist even if atheists insist it does, and whatever purpose an atheist contrives, it is just as contrived as anybody else’s idea of what their purpose is.

Oh no! We have to think for ourselves!

Quick, someone hit the fire alarms and evacuate the planet!

From my perspective, you’ve essentially given up thinking and reasoning for yourself, because you allow primitive human(s) to do your thinking for you. They wrote that book you revere, and at some point they came up with their own reason or purpose and you follow along with it.

That means a person who says life’s purpose is to destroy things is just as logically accurate as someone who says life’s purpose is to preserve things.

Why would it follow that something that harms our species is more logical than an action that helps our species survive?

And sometimes preserving something is less important than change.

For example, the bible teaches slavery is okay and people used it to put people in chains. I think destroying that institution was a pretty good change. Preserving it would be unethical.

Just one of the many things the Christian God got wrong, in my opinion.

What I find amazing is that there are some atheists who are okay with the idea that purpose is a simple contrivance on their part.  They still claim that life has purpose even though they know it does not.

You just finished saying some atheists have said they’re fine with purpose being created by us, and then in the next breath go on to say it doesn’t exist. If we make it exist, then it exists. If I think my purpose in life is to raise my children to the best of my ability, then that’s the meaning I have given myself. That doesn’t mean I can’t change my stance, but at that particular point in my life, that might be my purpose.

I honestly don’t see how the existence or non-existence of a disembodied mind would change that.

That is hypocrisy at it’s highest.  Why?  Because they insist that God does not exist, therefore we should not live by His standards.  Yet they know purpose does not actually exist and they still say we should live with purpose.

Which God and what standards? As I pointed out above, if we went by Yahweh’s standards, slavery could be fine.

I think religions were created by people. It’s flawed, ancient thinking and like anything created by humans, faults may exist. Religion often tries to prevent changes from taking place, even when the evidence clearly shows that their book is wrong.

You don’t need a magic God in the sky to give your life meaning. Purpose and meaning don’t have to be eternal to be special either.

The Big Move!

The move went well. I’m now semi-organized in my new place. Still need to go grocery shopping and there are still boxes that need to be unpacked, but it’s getting done slowly but surely. Dexter seems a bit confused, but otherwise alright.

My kitchen table was delivered damaged. I mean a lot damaged. The delivery guy said it was nothing a little wood glue couldn’t fix up, but I call bullshit.

Besides, why would I buy a new table so I have to glue the damaged parts together?

Does this look like a job for wood glue?

Does this look like a job for wood glue?

A lot of my kitchen stuff needs to be unpacked. I have no pictures on the wall, which makes the place seem a bit creepier than it actually is. It’s definitely no palace but it’s mine and everything in it belongs to me. It feels like a fresh start.

I’ll just have to work on not screwing it up this time.

There was a thunderstorm tonight. I sat and watched it roll through. Dexter didn’t seem nearly as satisfied with the grumbling in the sky as I did, but he’s gotten much better handling the thunder than when he was a puppy. I put my hand on his head and he settled down.

I spent the last night at my moms. It was very nice to see her but her guest bed is super uncomfortable. I’m lucky if I got four hours sleep. I was anxious to get home so I could continue to unpack.

Here’s a few pictures of GC Land.

My yard. Best part of the place.

My yard. Best part of the place.

Dexter laying on the couch.

Dexter laying on the couch.

Where I write to you guys and gals from.

Where I write to you guys and gals from.

My geek hardware and Dex's bed.

My geek hardware and Dex’s bed.

My TV and stuff. Netflix for the win!

My TV and stuff. Netflix for the win!

My bed and new kitchen table are arriving tomorrow. My roommate had a queen mattress and box-spring he kindly lent me in the meantime. I can’t wait to get the bed!

So there’s a little bit about what and how I’m doing right now. I hope to get back into blogging in a big way again in the very near future.

Have a wonderful weekend all.

Dexter vs. The Life Devouring Mop & A Personal Update

My circumstances have changed and I now have to move into my new place on Tuesday. The last few days has been a hectic dance of spending huge amounts of money I don’t have to furnish my soon-to-be-new-home. I’ve watched as my bank account was depleted and my credit stretched to its limit.

However, I’ve managed to get everything I need – except for possibly the small things I never think about because I’m used to having them. I think the new place will be rather comfortable.

My biggest worry (besides paying back the money I now owe) is how Dexter is going to react to the new place and the loss of most of his family.

I worry a lot about Dexter. He’s such a family oriented dog that I just don’t know what his reaction will be. I’ve seen dogs try to starve themselves when a family member goes absent. Plus he’ll be dealing with a new environment. I don’t think I could handle it if he was harmed in some way.

I’ve asked the Ex if she’d like to see him now and again but she hasn’t given me an answer yet. She told me she had to consult with her girls, who haven’t returned yet from summer vacation.

Anyhow, besides my sad-sack story, here’s a few pictures of Dexter wrangling with my new mop. It was pretty amusing watching him try to figure it out.

I'll get you my pretty!

I’ll get you my pretty!

WTF! It spins?

WTF! It spins?

Maybe if I stick my face in there I can figure this evil thing out

Maybe if I stick my face in there I can figure this evil thing out

I’ll snap some pics of my new place when I get a chance. It’s not much, but it will soon be home.

Do I Think We Have Free Will And What Value Do I Place On It

Godless Cranium:

Here’s my Friday post on The Isaiah 53:5 Project. Hope you enjoy it. :)

Originally posted on The Isaiah 53:5 Project:

Last week’s post led to an interesting conversation with blogger, Christ Centered Teaching, about free will.

He asked:

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Yes, I’d want free will. Right now I want to think I’m writing this post because I want to and I’ve made a conscious decision to sit down and tap at this keyboard.

However, wanting something doesn’t make it true. I don’t know whether I actually have free will or whether it’s an illusion produced by my brain. If asked right now, I’d probably say that free will is an illusion but it’s a handy one. Studies also suggest this could be true:

Now, a new study suggests that free will may arise from a hidden signal buried in the “background noise” of chaotic electrical activity in the brain, and that this activity occurs almost a second before people consciously decide to do something.

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America In The Crapper Because Of Atheism

Run for your lives! Yahweh is on another killing spree! https://www.flickr.com/photos/49102781@N03/4500068101

Run for your lives! Yahweh is on another killing spree!
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I often hear that atheism leads to lesser morals or that because atheists exist, America is on a godless spiral downward into oblivion.

It’s hard to imagine how the roughly 3% of the population that identify themselves as atheists has all this power, but it must be true.

After all, some Christian bloggers say it’s true.

Take this post by someone who literally says atheism has turned America to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Yes, that’s right – the 3% of atheists in America has led the country right into the shitter.

Damn you, small minority of atheists! Damn you!

America is now Sodom and Gomorrah reborn and atheism is to blame. It has infiltrated the West with its stupid ideology of a Godless existence,  and we are all paying the prize for it. Our dear country founded on the rock of Peter has been demolished and we are being lead by men and women that do not have the fear of God in them.

Sounds dangerous.

Screw the report that showed atheists make up a mere 0.07% of the Federal Prison Population.

I’m also not sure what ‘the fear of God’ would do. I mean, almost all of the politicians now in power are Christians. It doesn’t seem to stop them from saying hateful things or from passing laws (or trying to pass laws) that would continue oppressing  minorities, such as same-sex couples.

But why let facts get in the way of a good rant against atheists.

Human beings no longer have patience,  they shoot and kill other humans like animals. Men and women proudly stand at the mountain tops proclaiming their love of sin. Children are murdered by their own parents.

So what evidence do you have that Americans have less patience now than they did before, and how do you link that to atheism? Does atheism teach less patience? Because as far as I know, atheism is merely a lack of belief in God(s). It doesn’t teach squat.

As far as ‘shooting to kill’, I’m presuming you’re talking about the 1950’s to now. But if you look at the statistics, you’ll find the homicide rate remains about the same. In 1950 the homicide rate was 4.6 per 100,000 and in 2013 it was 4.5. So actually, there was a slight drop in the homicide rate.

In a world where God doesn’t exist so is morality, therefore humans are consumed in their acts of sins, since no God can hold them responsible for any sins.

People can hold people responsible. And again, somewhere in the vicinity of 70%-80% of people in America are Christian. So if all this immorality is taking place, I doubt it’s the 3% of atheists who are the majority of the problem.

Their lack of discipline and responsibility has driven our society to the brink of destruction. Becuase of our atheistic believes the men and women of God trying to do good in other nations in the name God, are continuously threatened with death.

Do good?

You mean the drone strikes killing innocent people? Or the wars America is currently engaged in, which has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths overseas – many of which were innocent civilians? Or maybe how the President said he had talked to God, before he began a needless war in Iraq?

None of that has anything to do with world mistrust. It must be the atheists. The same atheists that don’t really hold any power in the U.S.A.

Atheism is what they fear not the religion of christianity but since the west has somehow infused them together in a new form of, what is now called democracy, those foreign nations do not want anything to do with it, therefore hindering the spread of the Godpel of Christ Jesus.

So…atheism is responsible for democracy?

What the hell?

And you think democracy is a bad thing? What would you prefer? A theocracy, maybe?

Because let me tell you, theocracies usually aren’t nice places to live.

Their fear of eternal damnation for their sins, and desire to live a life free from the supposed constraints of religion, has driven them to adopt the so called perverse ideology of free will from God’s control, to a life of immorality that has turned our nation to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Wouldn’t FREE will mean you’re not under the control of anything, including a celestial dictator?

But let’s hope your God doesn’t decide to rain down death on America like he supposedly did against Sodom and Gomorrah:

23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then theLord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

Eek! Maybe someone should teach Yahweh a little patience. Has He been hanging with atheists too long?

Sucky Dogs Who Brush Their Teeth

Here’s a few pictures of Dexter I thought I’d share. :)

Even spoiled dogs need to sleep

Even spoiled dogs need to sleep

You take that couch and I'll take this one. Okay?

You take that couch and I’ll take this one. Okay?

Or I'll just lay on you.

Or I’ll just lay on you.

And yes...I always brush my teeth before bed.

And yes…I always brush my teeth before bed.

Christian Whines About Christmas, While Blaming Atheists For Hypothetically Whining About Christmas

It’s not even September yet, and already the moaning and gnashing of teeth over Christmas has begun.

For example, this fellow mixes whining about Christmas and arguing against atheism’s apparent lack of logic into a heady brew of illogical arguments.

It is not going to be long until we are going to be hearing the rants and whines of atheist over Christmas trees.

He says, while ranting and whining over Christmas trees.

Atheists seem to be the only people who work so hard to disprove what they do not believe exists. Most people really do not care if someone believes in something they do not exist.

That’s because they don’t make up about 80% of the population and they aren’t trying to legislate their beliefs. I know it’s hard having to listen to people argue, debate and talk about why or why not people should believe in your disembodied super mind, but you might as well get used to it. We’re not going away.

Why do atheists worry about Christmas if it was not because they cannot stand the word Christ?

Yes. That’s exactly why. This is what hearing the word ‘Christ’ does to me.

It Burns! It burns!

It Burns! It burns!

What a silly argument.

I don’t have a problem with Christmas. I always have a Christmas tree and I enjoy the tradition. I don’t celebrate it because I think a deity was born of a virgin that day. I celebrate it because it’s a fun family tradition. The name ‘Christ’ does no more to me than the name ‘John’ or ‘Allen’ or ‘Cherie’.

If the atheists want to drum out either because of Christ they need to do their research on the histories of these traditions.

Speaking of traditions…the Christmas tree tradition you’re complaining about has its roots in older religions and predates Christianity.

Long before the advent of Christianity, plants and trees that remained green all year had a special meaning for people in the winter. Just as people today decorate their homes during the festive season with pine, spruce, and fir trees, ancient peoples hung evergreen boughs over their doors and windows. In many countries it was believed that evergreens would keep away witches, ghosts, evil spirits, and illness.

There goes that theory. Christmas is a mishmash of traditions and religious symbolism that mostly predates Christianity.

So again this all leans to the concept that the atheist is having more of a personal problem with God than with the traditions of Christmas or the Christmas tree.

Wait for it…

But the actions of the atheist do not support the idea that their argument is with God but rather with Christianity.

WTF! Are we against Christianity or God?

I’m so confused.

It’s enough to drive a man to pray.

I do not hear them saying that allah does not exist.

I don’t think Allah exists.

You happy?

I do not hear them saying that any other term of a deity does not exist.

I don’t think any deity exists. I think they’re all made up by humans. I don’t believe any of the thousands of Gods that have been worshiped throughout our history as a species are real. Odin is as believable to me as Yahweh.

Their only problem seems to be with Christianity.

No. I also have problems with any religion that I think teaches bad ideas. I’m entitled to that opinion and I’ll listen to opposing views about those same ideas. I also have problems with things like atheist bloggers being attacked and brutally murdered for simply voicing their views online.

Like this for example:

The knock on the door came as her husband tapped at his computer. She opened the door to a strange man who said the landlord had sent him to look at the apartment.

The man was perhaps 20 years old, thin and dressed in a black T-shirt and blue jeans. He walked around twice, then stood in front of the kitchen and began mashing buttons on his mobile phone.

Moments later, three people barged into the apartment, brandishing a gleaming chapati, a rectangular cleaver made to splinter bone. They said nothing, instead moving straight toward Mr. Chatterjee, who had come to the bedroom door.

With their first swing, they severed parts of one hand. Chunks of his fingers fell to the floor.

“Who are you guys?” was all Mr. Chatterjee could manage before an attacker brandishing a pistol pushed Ms. Asa Moni onto the apartment’s veranda. “Save us! Save us!” she screamed.

But the attack was viciously efficient. The men left within minutes, Mr. Chatterjee’s head almost completely severed from his body.

Believe me when I say I have a problem with that.

I can also voice my dissent whenever I hear an idea I don’t agree with, including God belief and all the rules that usually come with it. And I can also agree with religious sentiments I might agree with, even if I don’t agree with the actual belief in their deity of choice.

One question I like to ask those who think that everything is supposed to be held and measured is: where is the mind?  I am not talking about the brain.  I am talking about the mind.

Um, no. That’s the brain. Not sure what this ‘mind’ is that you’re talking about. Is it another magical part of our anatomy?

Also, if everything is as ancient as they claim why did Neil Armstrong step into a ¼ inch of lunar dust?  Armstrong was supposed to have sunk in to the lunar dust.  (I guess the maid came.)

What the?

I don’t even know what this means. Are you saying God came around with a broom and cleaned up the dust? Or that a Daredevil (I had to work the devil in somewhere!) came along and magically prevented the dust from arriving?

But seriously, why do you believe he should have sunk into dust?

If there is not God then what is the fuss about?  If there is a God, and they know it, then that is a different matter.

Because beliefs affect actions and a crap load of people believe in the Christian dogma and the Christian God. Also, religion touches a lot of different facets of our society and it’s pretty fascinating as a topic.

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